More notes about the Hasbro panel
Chris R Leazer
-They were asked about female TFs.
There are none scheduled for Armada, but they
plan to have some in the next line.
-Galvatron and Thundercracker (the 2 repaints) are scheduled for next year.
-There are no more animal TFs planned for Armada (Laserbeak
will be the only one)
-There are more role-play TFs planned for Armada. Laserbeak won't
be the last. [soundwave if we're lucky...?]
-They like to re-use the old names. Copyright reasons aside.
The rep said Starscream was one of his favorites growing up,
and it would be wrong to deprive kids today of such a cool name.
-Fortress Maximus is delayed due to "drop test" reasons.
Apparently, when they drop him from a height onto the floor,
he can break and leave sharp points sticking out. Old molds
don't stand up to today's safety standards. They hope to
release him next year, when the plastic problems are resolved.
-No plans for War Within toys.
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> okay, I remember a few more things about the Hasbro panel:
>
> -They were asked about female TFs.
> There are none scheduled for Armada, but they
> plan to have some in the next line.
So they already have the next line planned. Hmm...
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Chris R Leazer
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> "Chris R Leazer" <CLE...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> > okay, I remember a few more things about the Hasbro panel:
> >
> > -They were asked about female TFs.
> > There are none scheduled for Armada, but they
> > plan to have some in the next line.
>
>
> So they already have the next line planned. Hmm...
If I recall, the exact quote was something like
"One of our stated goals for the next line is to include a few
female characters."
I got the impression that they are hard at work on the next line,
but its probably still in the early stages at this point.
ZacWilliam05
>next line is to include a few
>female characters."
>
>I got the impression that they are
> hard at work on the next line,
>but its probably still in the early
>stages at this point.
Well, IIRC, Hasbro has said it takes about
two years for a toy to go from concept
designs to finished product, so if the
post-Armada line is aimed for 2004
(as we've heard it will be) then they
would have to be getting them all
going about now.
-ZacWilliam, as for Femme's I'm all for it. It'd be very cool if they
remembered Elita 1.
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Steven Blue
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>
> -They were asked about female TFs.
> There are none scheduled for Armada, but they
> plan to have some in the next line.
WHAT THE HELL!!!!
WHY?
FUCK! I wanted a female bot so badly, Arcee?
GRRR... BOO to hasbro
Zobovor
>-Fortress Maximus is delayed due to "drop test" reasons.
>Apparently, when they drop him from a height onto the floor,
>he can break and leave sharp points sticking out. Old molds
>don't stand up to today's safety standards. They hope to
>release him next year, when the plastic problems are resolved.
You know, I imagine this could potentially happen with just about *any*
Transformers toy, providing you drop it from a sufficient height and/or use
enough force. I don't doubt their reasoning behind this, but it just seems odd
to me.
Zobovor, picturing a Fort Max toy made entirely out of soft, pliant, supple
vinyl... yummmmmm.
Thunderous Citizen Iron Moose!
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> You know, I imagine this could potentially happen with just about *any*
> Transformers toy, providing you drop it from a sufficient height and/or
use
> enough force. I don't doubt their reasoning behind this, but it just
seems odd
> to me.
IIRC, the drop test is standardized. A given height, a given amount of
force, etc.
> Zobovor, picturing a Fort Max toy made entirely out of soft, pliant,
supple
> vinyl... yummmmmm.
Jumbo Machinder Fortress Maximus! OOOOoooooh my...
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Chris McFeely
> he can break
Gee, now, there's a shocker. ^^
Chris... not that I'm arguing with safety standards, or anything, but,
still...
ZacWilliam05
>Of course technically there are no male
> or female transformers....
Depends on the context you're using those words in. There are no sexes (as far
as we know) for TFs but there most definately ARE genders.
-ZacWilliam, who is not a proponent of TF porn but still always feels
compeled to point out that from the cartoons you couldn't even tell Humans have
sex...
paul
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> > Apparently, when they drop him from a height onto the floor,
> > he can break
>
What a great reason to bring die-cast back :) Imagine today's stronger/more
flexible (in most cases) plastics coupled with die-cast metal.... Now THAT'S
a recipe for some bad @ss Transformers!
-paul
Paul Segal
>
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>
>> supple vinyl... yummmmmm.
>
>Jumbo Machinder Fortress Maximus! OOOOoooooh my...
JMs are made of polyethylene, IIRC.
>Alex 'Imagine the box!' Amar;
It would be the size of Fort Max's regular box, eh? JMs are 24 inches. It would
be pretty much exactly like Fort Max, but with hollow blow-molded limbs, and
simpler. Probably nontransforming, with tons of missiles. At least, that's how
it should be done...
-Paul Segal
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Things that rule:
Cibo Matto, Bounty Killer, Wilco, Soul Coughing, Sea Ray, the New Radicals;
Micromaster Fixit's Gerwalk mode, and Micromasters in general;
Jumbo Machinders.
The Shaolin Tiger v. 1.5
>flexible (in most cases) plastics coupled with die-cast metal.... Now THAT'S
>a recipe for some bad @ss Transformers!
>
>
Sure, that'll work just fine...as long as Fort Max comes packaged with a
forklift. ;-)
Mark Brown
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> > Zobovor, picturing a Fort Max toy made entirely out of soft, pliant,
> supple
> > vinyl... yummmmmm.
> Jumbo Machinder Fortress Maximus! OOOOoooooh my...
How 'bout a Fortress Maximus Plushie?
Mark
"Heck, even ~Cthulhu~ has a plushie, these days."
Mark Brown
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> "Chris McFeely" <ma...@troy49.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > > Apparently, when they drop him from a height onto the floor,
> > > he can break
> What a great reason to bring die-cast back :)
Yeah, then he could do some ~real~ damage! ;)
Mark
"And he'd be unliftable."
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> "Chris R Leazer" <CLE...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> > okay, I remember a few more things about the Hasbro panel:
> > -They were asked about female TFs.
> > There are none scheduled for Armada, but they
> > plan to have some in the next line.
> WHAT THE HELL!!!!
> WHY?
> FUCK! I wanted a female bot so badly, Arcee?
> GRRR... BOO to hasbro
Well then, get kitbashing, people!
Hopefully the next line won't be a beast line; let's see some femmebots that
have ~vehicle~ modes!
Mark
"And don't tell me that vehicles don't have enough curves."
Pyre
>
> What a great reason to bring die-cast back :) Imagine today's stronger/more
> flexible (in most cases) plastics coupled with die-cast metal.... Now THAT'S
> a recipe for some bad @ss Transformers!
>
And expensive too. Why do you think the reissue of Prime and Magnus
that's coming out this fall costs twice as much now as it did in the 80s?
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Aaron F. Bourque
>-They were asked about female TFs.
>There are none scheduled for Armada, but they
>plan to have some in the next line.
Females. I can live with them. I can live without them.
>-Galvatron and Thundercracker (the 2 repaints) are scheduled for
>next year.
"Next year"? That's pretty non-specific. I mean, we're talking 365
separate days here.
>-There are no more animal TFs planned for Armada (Laserbeak
>will be the only one)
Awwwww.
>-There are more role-play TFs planned for Armada. Laserbeak
>won't be the last. [soundwave if we're lucky...?]
Woohoo!
>-They like to re-use the old names. Copyright reasons aside.
>The rep said Starscream was one of his favorites growing up,
>and it would be wrong to deprive kids today of such a cool name.
See! See! "Waa waa name re-use waa waa."
>-Fortress Maximus is delayed due to "drop test" reasons.
>Apparently, when they drop him from a height onto the floor,
>he can break and leave sharp points sticking out. Old molds
>don't stand up to today's safety standards. They hope to
>release him next year, when the plastic problems are resolved.
Hmm. Well. We'll see.
>-No plans for War Within toys.
Nerts. Oh well.
Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque
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Damn the tree and all its kind!
Nothing's impossible in the hot soul.
Hell damn crap fun!
Aaron F. Bourque
>Zobovor, picturing a Fort Max toy made entirely out of soft,
>pliant, supple vinyl... yummmmmm.
You want to eat your Fort Max and have him too?
Aaron F. Bourque
>Of course technically there are no male or female
>transformers.... ^_^;;
Elita One. Chromia. Firestar. Moonracer.
Arcee.
Blackarachnia.
Strika.
Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; no females my left butt
cheek.
Galenraff
floor for these safety tests.
By the way, are these going to be available in normal stores, or through online
orders only? (I'd thought it was only online, but if they've gotta do all
these safety tests, I'm tempted to think they're gonna make it fit for the
general public.)
-galenraff
who also would love to see a plush line of BW characters
vegetaprime
> -No plans for War Within toys.
>
In the voice of Eric Cartman :GODDAMNIT!!!!!!!!!
I was just doodling some War Within ideas today..Like alt most for the other
Dinobots..Thats when I got the idea to ask about War Within toys...
I hope Hasbro has a change of heart on this one. I would love to get a
Starscream in his original Seeker mode.
Not to mention a Grimlock..
Speaking of him, has anyone seen any pics of his new altmode? I saw the
preview stuff but all I could find was his robot mode.
Synch
Its some sorta funky tank, there are pics but I don't have a link on
me right now sorry :|
cappeca
> vinyl... yummmmmm.
What about picturing the drop test of Fort Maxes??
"Ok. Release!"
"CRASH!!!!!"
"Hmmmm... let's try another one."
"TEST NUMBER 28!! Set?"
"Ok. Release!"
"CRASH!!!!!"
NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
:-)
Cesar.
Mark Brown
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> From: Ethan Hammond esha...@worldnet.att.net
> >Of course technically there are no male or female
> >transformers.... ^_^;;
> Elita One. Chromia. Firestar. Moonracer.
> Arcee.
> Blackarachnia.
> Strika.
He said "technically." As Transformers don't seem to reproduce sexually,
there ~are~ no "female" tfs. Just as there are no "male" tfs.
The fact that some adopt "female" personas does not necessarily reflect the
truth.
Mark
"Which is why I ~like~ the idea of tfs in love; it ~is~ more than just
physical."
Zobovor
>IIRC, the drop test is standardized. A given height, a given amount of
>force, etc.
Well, yeah, I figured that much. (It seems to me that Fort Max should never be
in a situation where he'd fall, theoretically speaking, any higher than
shoulder-height to a seven-year-old.)
I wonder... are they going to retool him so that his limbs freely detach, sort
of like Supreme Cheetor or Supreme Primal (I know at least one of his arms
comes off, anyway)? That would, actually, be kind of cool. When I was a kid,
I always loved Transformers upon whom you could inflict "battle damage" during
play, without all the messy business of having to glue them back together
afterwards. :)
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Aaron F. Bourque
>The fact that some adopt "female" personas does not
>necessarily reflect the truth.
. . .
Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; "You can use facts to prove
anything that's even *remotely* true!"
Paul Segal
>
>I wonder... are they going to retool him so that his limbs freely detach,
>sort of like Supreme Cheetor or Supreme Primal (I know at least one of his
arms
>comes off, anyway)?
Both of Suprimal's arms come off, and you can actually switch them.
However, the left arm has its joint in the shoulder, and the right arm's joint
is in the body - so if you switch them the right arm will have two shoulder
rotators and the left arm will have none.
So if you get two Suprimals, you can have one with two fully articulated arms
and no punch gimmick - and one with two punch gimmicks, and an immobile left
arm. I'd do that if it wouldn't be so expensive... I hate it when a gimmick
ruins the symmetry of arm articulation.
Paul Segal
>
>>From: "Mark Brown" mark....@primus.ca
>
>>The fact that some adopt "female" personas does not
>>necessarily reflect the truth.
>
>. . .
The point is, while some Transformers act like human females, they can't have
babies - in fact, no Transformers have babies, or do anything that represents
the biological processes that divide males and females in humans.
There's really no point to divide them into two genders unless you're
specifically comparing them to the human genders. Transformers could have no
genders, or two genders, or three genders with one having a mix of what humans
consider masculine and feminine traits, or more - but they still wouldn't be
the same thing as human male and female. They'd just be a description of
physical form and behaviorial/mental aspects, without the discrete
physiological division that humans have.
Aaron F. Bourque
>Aaron F. Bourque wrote:
>>
>>>From: "Mark Brown" mark....@primus.ca
>>
>>>The fact that some adopt "female" personas does not
>>>necessarily reflect the truth.
>>
>>. . .
>
>The point is, while some Transformers act like human females,
>they can't have babies - in fact, no Transformers have babies, or
>do anything that represents the biological processes that divide
>males and females in humans.
You've either never seen the Victory Manga, or have pruged it
from your memory banks.
I am not so fortunate.
Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque
--
Mark Brown
> >From: "Mark Brown" mark....@primus.ca
> >The fact that some adopt "female" personas does not
> >necessarily reflect the truth.
> Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; "You can use facts to prove
> anything that's even *remotely* true!"
I'm an English Major, not a Philosophy Major. :p
What I ~meant~ was that the ~apparent~ presence of female Transformers
doesn't reflect ~actual~ sexual dimorphism. It's purely a cosmetic decision.
Mark
"Which is what makes Sideburn's red car fetish so, uh, 'interesting.'"
Aaron F. Bourque
>"Aaron F. Bourque" <aaronb...@aol.comstat> wrote in
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>> >From: "Mark Brown" mark....@primus.ca
>> >The fact that some adopt "female" personas does not
>> >necessarily reflect the truth.
>*SNIP*
>> Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; "You can use facts to
>> prove anything that's even *remotely* true!"
>
>I'm an English Major, not a Philosophy Major. :p
>
>What I ~meant~ was that the ~apparent~ presence of female
>Transformers doesn't reflect ~actual~ sexual dimorphism. It's
>purely a cosmetic decision.
. . .
I don't think so, but I don't care anymore. You here that, Hasbro
panel? You've made *me* not! care! anymore!
And I've liked everything about Transformers up to now. The original stuff from
1984-85, all the way up to the *masters (even the Micromasters--they sucked and
all, but hey, they were Transformers!), the Pretenders . . . the other stuff,
Gen 2, Beast Wars, Machine Wars, Beast Machines, RiD, Armada . . .
But the stupid pointless arguing over whether there are male and
female Transformers or not (and there are, factually, male and
female Transformers, and that means sexual diphormism or . . .
whatever it is . . . whether anyone wants to admit it or not) has
made me not care.
You have all witnessed the death of a Transfan.
Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque
--
Goldbug
> Chris R Leazer wrote:
>
> >-Fortress Maximus is delayed due to "drop test" reasons.
> >Apparently, when they drop him from a height onto the floor,
> >he can break and leave sharp points sticking out. Old molds
> >don't stand up to today's safety standards. They hope to
> >release him next year, when the plastic problems are resolved.
>
> Transformers toy, providing you drop it from a sufficient height and/or use
> enough force. I don't doubt their reasoning behind this, but it just seems odd
> to me.
>
>
> Zobovor, picturing a Fort Max toy made entirely out of soft, pliant, supple
> vinyl... yummmmmm.
A bounceable Ft Max? Imagine the fun kids would have! haha
Ka Faraq Gatri
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>> > Apparently, when they drop him from a height onto the floor,
>> > he can break
>>
>
>What a great reason to bring die-cast back :)
That way the floor can break instead! :-) Or the remaining plastic
parts will break even worse with the additional weight of the diecast
putting stress on them. And can you imagine if a diecast FM fell on a
kid?
Dave Connell aka Ka Faraq Gatri
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>> okay, I remember a few more things about the Hasbro panel:
>>
>> -They were asked about female TFs.
>> There are none scheduled for Armada, but they
>> plan to have some in the next line.
>
>
> So they already have the next line planned. Hmm...
>
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>
>
>
>
>
Not really planned yet- regarding the next line, they said essentially that
they're starting to work on ideas for it. Regarding female characters, it
will be a goal to try to include some in that future line.
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Trent Troop
> WHY?
> FUCK! I wanted a female bot so badly, Arcee?
> GRRR... BOO to hasbro
We have a convention and an upcoming fanclub to deal with such concerns, so
don't feel too bad.
-Trent
Trent Troop
>
> >-Fortress Maximus is delayed due to "drop test" reasons.
> >don't stand up to today's safety standards. They hope to
> >release him next year, when the plastic problems are resolved.
>
> You know, I imagine this could potentially happen with just about *any*
> Transformers toy, providing you drop it from a sufficient height and/or
use
> enough force. I don't doubt their reasoning behind this, but it just
seems odd
> to me.
Well, compliance with the law is compliance with the law.
In any event, I doubt very much will have to be changed, beyond altering
some plastic compositions and perhaps finding an alternative for the big
metal plate of death in his chest. Some parts may need to wind up being more
solid while others need some hollowing out.
Maybe we'll luck out, and while they're redesigning him they'll slap down a
g1 colorscheme or give him back his lost weapons and accessories.
-Trent
Zobovor
>In any event, I doubt very much will have to be changed, beyond altering
>some plastic compositions and perhaps finding an alternative for the big
>metal plate of death in his chest. Some parts may need to wind up
>being more solid while others need some hollowing out.
Don't forget the metal component that's part of the dual blaster on his left
leg. I think the problem is that the toy is just so damn heavy; if he were
lighter, he'd be less susceptible to cracking open if dropped. I won't be at
all surprised if, after the toy's eventually released, people start complaining
that he feels like a knockoff.
I still like my idea of giving him detachable parts like the Supreme toys,
though. Of course, keep in mind that I'm currently enamored with the
Masterpiece Edition C-3PO, so that may be coloring my judgment a bit. :)
>Maybe we'll luck out, and while they're redesigning him they'll slap
>down a g1 colorscheme or give him back his lost weapons and
>accessories.
I already have the G1 toy, though. I'd rather they stuck with the RiD colors
so that I'll have a toy that represents Fortress Maximus as we saw him in RiD.
And yeah, I'd love to see him fully-armed again. :)